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273893 | Dan Beck <drumsandbacon@g...> | 2021‑06‑09 | Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
https://groups.io/g/oldtools/album?id=264974 I came into possession of a Stanley 71 router. Although it came with a blade, it was a beat-up and I had some gift cards to Lee Valley so I bought some new blades for it (1/2" straight, 1/2" spear-point, and the 3/4" blade). It says on the Lee Valley website that these blades fit the Stanley #71 router planes... with the height-adjustment nut inverted. Therein lies the rub -- my 71 doesn't have a height-adjustment mechanism. And the new Lee Valley blades are just a hair too thick. So, my questions are: 1. why doesn't my 71 have the height adjustment mechanism? Is this something older versions of the 71 didn't have, or is mine incomplete? 2. In order to make the blades fit on this 71, should I make the inside diameter of the collar a bit bigger or the outside diameter of the three blades a bit smaller? Thanks, Dan -- I'm a simple man. I like pretty dark-haired women and breakfast food. |
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273895 | Chris Wolf <hframe79001@g...> | 2021‑06‑09 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
Yours appears to be a Type 2 (1885-88) or Type 3 (1888-92), which did not have the cutter adjustment wheel. --Chris Check out H-frame, the site for vintage Black & Decker Workmates: https://h-frame.weebly.com/ -----Original Message----- From: oldtools@g... [mailto:oldtools@g...] On Behalf Of Dan Beck Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2021 2:49 PM To: oldtools@g... Subject: [oldtools] Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
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273899 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2021‑06‑09 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
Dan, To me, this is a no-brainer: rather than destroy the historic fabric of a 19th- century tool, alter the new blades. Rationale: You can get all the Lee Valley blades you want, but once you alter that old Stanley, it's authenticity is gone forever. They ain't making no more of 'em, at least not Type 2's! John Ruth |
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273900 | Troy Livingston <horologist@w...> | 2021‑06‑10 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
Motion seconded. In my clock repairs I spend about half of my bench time repairing previous repairs. The first rule in clock repair is to make the repair part fit the clock, not the other way around. Seems like it would apply to tools as well. Troy |
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273901 | Chuck Taylor | 2021‑06‑10 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
Dan, you wrote: ====== I came into possession of a Stanley 71 router. Although it came with a blade, it was a beat-up and I had some gift cards to Lee Valley so I bought some new blades for it (1/2" straight, 1/2" spear-point, and the 3/4" blade). It says on the Lee Valley website that these blades fit the Stanley #71 router planes... with the height-adjustment nut inverted. Therein lies the rub -- my 71 doesn't have a height-adjustment mechanism. And the new Lee Valley blades are just a hair too thick. ====== The Lee Valley blades fit fine in my Stanley 71-1/2 (Patent date 10-29-01), which does have a height-adjustment mechanism. My recommendation (probably heretical to some) is to buy a new Veritas router plane from Lee Valley to go with the Veritas blades you already bought. While Stanley router planes are fine tools, I find that the Veritas router plane in practice simply works better. The adjustment mechanism is more precise and is easier to use. With the Veritas, it is easy to set a max depth and then sneak up on it. The height-adjustment mechanism, although nice to have, is not really necessary. My wooden router planes do not have a height-adjustment mechanism other than a hammer and a wedge, and they work fine. A nice workaround to a screw-driven height-adjustment mechanism is to use two router planes: one set for the final depth and one to sneak up on that depth. Just another reason why a Galoot needs more than one of each tool. Cheers, Chuck Taylor north of Seattle USA |
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273902 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2021‑06‑10 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
I'm not positive I'm right about this ( there are so many ways to be wrong! ), but I think that the lateral cutting ability of the large LV router makes it a rare bird. It can cut to within 1/8in or so of a vertical surface, as you might do when repairing an old chest whose drawers have worn ruts in the blades upon which they are resting. With a slightly wider custom blade, you may be able to cut flush to a vertical. The only other router I know of which may be able to do that is a large Preston. FWIW Don On 2021-06-09 8:29 p.m., Chuck Taylor via groups.io wrote: > Dan, you wrote: > > ====== > I came into possession of a Stanley 71 router. Although it came with a blade, it was a beat-up and I had some gift cards to Lee Valley so I bought some new blades for it (1/2" straight, 1/2" spear-point, and the 3/4" blade). It says on the Lee Valley website that these blades fit the Stanley #71 router planes... with the height-adjustment nut inverted. Therein lies the rub -- my 71 doesn't have a height-adjustment mechanism. And the new Lee Valley blades are just a hair too thick. > ====== > > The Lee Valley blades fit fine in my Stanley 71-1/2 (Patent date 10-29-01), which does have a height-adjustment mechanism. > > My recommendation (probably heretical to some) is to buy a new Veritas router plane from Lee Valley to go with the Veritas blades you already bought. While Stanley router planes are fine tools, I find that the Veritas router plane in practice simply works better. The adjustment mechanism is more precise and is easier to use. With the Veritas, it is easy to set a max depth and then sneak up on it. > > The height-adjustment mechanism, although nice to have, is not really necessary. My wooden router planes do not have a height-adjustment mechanism other than a hammer and a wedge, and they work fine. A nice workaround to a screw-driven height-adjustment mechanism is to use two router planes: one set for the final depth and one to sneak up on that depth. Just another reason why a Galoot needs more than one of each tool. > > Cheers, > Chuck Taylor > north of Seattle USA > > > > > > > > -- Social networks are free, but you are the product. (Popular Information) “Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning.” - Albert Einstein |
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273903 | Ed Minch <edminch3@g...> | 2021‑06‑10 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
Chuck wrote > On Jun 9, 2021, at 10:29 PM, Chuck Taylor via groups.io |
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273904 | Ed Minch <edminch3@g...> | 2021‑06‑10 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
My Stanley (later with depth adjusgter) allows yhou to remove the blade and holding thingy and flip them so the blade is out front Ed Minch |
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273905 | Bill Ghio | 2021‑06‑10 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
My two cents: I sold off my Stanley routers several years ago. Too much blade wandering/slop. What I kept were the large and small Preston routers and added the LV. The LV is precise and has a wider variety of blades available. I choose the LV over the Lie Nielsen but the LN is probably as good a choice. I painted a little red spot on the height adjusting wheel so I could visually gauge small adjustments. https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../20045471351/in/album-721576563331936 06/ Bill |
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273906 | Ed Minch <edminch3@g...> | 2021‑06‑10 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
Well now you’re just bragging- not that there is naything wrong with that Ed Minch |
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273907 | Stephen Rosenthal <srosenthal26@g...> | 2021‑06‑10 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
My story is similar to Bill’s. I had a Stanley that was frustrating to use due to the same blade slop/wandering issues. No amount of fettling cured it’s ailments. Always kept my eyes peeled for a Preston or Tyzack, but the few that became available were way out of my price range. Then I attended a LN hand tool event, tried their router planes and bought the large and small on the spot. Couldn’t sell the Stanley fast enough. (I did inform the buyer of the issues, but for $25…) I might have bought the Veritas because of the extensive blade options had I taken the time to research it, but the LNs were hot in my hands and are a pleasure to use. For a while Walke Moore was producing a large router plane based on the Preston, but had innumerable manufacturing issues which caused them to cease production of it for three years or so. I just looked at their website and see where they are now offering an updated version again, albeit sold out with more “coming soon”. Stephen |
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273908 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2021‑06‑10 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
But not sideways for lateral cutting, right? Don On 2021-06-10 4:04 a.m., Ed Minch wrote: > My Stanley (later with depth adjusgter) allows yhou to remove the > blade and holding thingy and flip them so the blade is out front > > Ed Minch > >> On Jun 10, 2021, at 3:01 AM, Don Schwartz |
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273909 | Ed Minch <edminch3@g...> | 2021‑06‑10 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
Since the blade has a square shank, it would fit 4 ways. In fact mine has small extensions on the bed out that direction to allow for just such an action. If you have the adjustment slot in the blade and did a lot of this work, you could just extend the cut around the sides to allow for it. Ed |
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273910 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2021‑06‑10 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
So a small mod to the blade? How close to the long edge of the router could the modified blade cut in the right & left directions? Could you post a photo showing the extensions? Don On 2021-06-10 9:24 a.m., Ed Minch wrote: > Since the blade has a square shank, it would fit 4 ways. In fact mine > has small extensions on the bed out that direction to allow for just > such an action. If you have the adjustment slot in the blade and did > a lot of this work, you could just extend the cut around the sides to > allow for it. > > Ed > >> On Jun 10, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Don Schwartz |
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273911 | Dan Beck <drumsandbacon@g...> | 2021‑06‑10 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
Thanks again, for all the responses. Knowing that this is indeed an OLD Stanley, I will not alter the collar. However, I don't really want to try and alter the blades either. I know this is a long shot but does anyone have a spare collar that they would be willing to part with for a reasonable price? I'm guessing not, because it is probably a part that often gets misplaced and therefore they are in high demand but just thought I'd ask. Also, does anyone know if the Veritas collar would fit on the Stanley? -- I'm a simple man. I like pretty dark-haired women and breakfast food. |
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273912 | Claudio DeLorenzi <claudio@d...> | 2021‑06‑10 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
I don't have a spare, but a bit of brass or steel pipe, a thumb screw, and the appropriate tap and you're there. You can squeeze it in a vice to get it oval. If you don't have a tap, you can solder a nut on. Lots of options until you find something better. Nothing wrong with pinch locking or wedge locking home made router planes either. You can grind a useful blade out of a large Allen key. Drill a hole in a block of wood and stick an old 1/2" chisel in at an appropriate angle and you're good to go (that's what I use by the lake, a bit of cut off 2 by 4 and a narrowish chisel). -- Claudio |
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273917 | David Sobel | 2021‑06‑11 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
My 70-1/2 has a groove on both sides of the post. I can face the blade outboard mounted to the back of the post, and cut right up to a vertical surface. Maybe I am just using it wrong?https://groups.io/g/oldtools/photo/264246/3229238?p=Creat ed,,,20,2,0,0David SobelDon wrote:I'm not positive I'm right about this ( there are so many ways to be wrong! ), but I think that the lateral cutting ability of the large LV router makes it a rare bird. It can cut to within 1/8in or so of a vertical surface, as you might do when repairing an old chest whose drawers have worn ruts in the blades upon which they are resting.Sent from my Galaxy |
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273918 | David Sobel | 2021‑06‑11 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
One more time from the computer. For some reason, the list bodges up the formatting when I send emails from my phone. |
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273920 | Kirk Eppler | 2021‑06‑11 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
None of these show mounting it outboard, but I don't see why it would not work. https://archive.org/details/internationaltoolcataloglibrary?query=stanley+71&sin =&sort=-date Patrick says you can, so there you go http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan10.htm I imagine the arched mouths might have a bit of trouble reversing the clamp, but I've never tried. Kirk, still in HMB 5 minutes later. On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 5:04 PM David Sobel via groups.io |
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273921 | Kirk Eppler | 2021‑06‑11 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 5:21 PM Kirk Eppler via groups.io |
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273923 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2021‑06‑11 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
For clarity, I should have said 'cutting parallel to a vertical surface'. That's what I meant by 'lateral'. Don On 2021-06-10 6:04 p.m., David Sobel via groups.io wrote: > My 70-1/2 has a groove on both sides of the post. I can face the blade outboard mounted to the back of the post, and cut right up to a vertical surface. Maybe I am just using it wrong?https://groups.io/g/oldtools/photo/26424 6/3229238?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0David SobelDon wrote:I'm not positive I'm right about this ( there are so many ways to be wrong! ), but I think that the lateral cutting ability of the large LV router makes it a rare bird. It can cut to within 1/8in or so of a vertical surface, as you might do when repairing an old chest whose drawers have worn ruts in the blades upon which they are resting.Sent from my Galaxy > > > > > -- Social networks are free, but you are the product. (Popular Information) “Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning.” - Albert Einstein |
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273924 | Dan Beck <drumsandbacon@g...> | 2021‑06‑11 | Re: Stanley 71 #photo-notice |
I'm going to clean it up and see if with some finesse and a little gentle persuasion if I can't get the Veritas blades to fit. Either way, I may take Chuck's advice and sell it and use the money to buy the large Veritas router plane. Thanks for all the info and advice! -Dan -- I'm a simple man. I like pretty dark-haired women and breakfast food. |
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