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274655 | Kirk Eppler | 2021‑10‑08 | Do you trammel? |
oops, reply, reply all, one is more helpful to others in this situation. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Kirk Eppler |
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274656 | Erik Levin | 2021‑10‑08 | Re: Do you trammel? |
Do I? DO I? You bet I do. A nice piece you have, but I can not help to confirm the maker of the maybe Stanley. I am glad that you give it life, though, as trammels have paid many of my bills over the years doing layout work at job two, both striking arcs and in measures. I don't know if you have had the need, but I find that ball-end 'points' are also very useful. The last tool chest I reclaimed (side of the road snap-on find. It was, to be blunt, a mess, the bottom twisted 30mm out of flat) I made a base to fit the condition (solid second-hand oak and some commercial glued/laminated/pressed sheet material), planing the support locations for good bearing to match the base twist with a #4C and transferring the bolt holes with the trammel. Set on the existing holes using the ball points, swap in the sharps, and mark for bore. 60seconds with an 8" sweep yankee and #6 bit, and good to go. Gotta have concentric points, though; not the off-center, rotate for fine adjust type. *** This message was sent from a convenience email service, and the reply address(es) may not match the originating address |
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274657 | Bill Ghio | 2021‑10‑08 | Re: Do you trammel? |
Kirk, Your second link is the same pic as in the Walter book. The shape and size are the same but the patterning of the casting on mine is different, and look at the screw tops. On mine is a double row of knurling while the Stanley’s as illustrated have a single row of knurling. I have had the piece for several years but had never notice the difference till today. Bill |
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274658 | Bill Ghio | 2021‑10‑08 | Re: Do you trammel? |
Ahh, I wasn’t aware of trammels w/ ball ends. Very interesting. My home-made points came out as non-concentric but I figured that was an adjustment advantage so it did not concern me. Darn. Bill |
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274659 | Kirk Eppler | 2021‑10‑08 | Re: Do you trammel? |
I wasn't sure if the pics were the same in all versions of the big book. Remember that the Stanley catalog cuts were done with engraved block prints, not photos. It could be that the block never looked like the real thing, or that they gave the engraver an early trammel to look at, then changed it before it became real production. Or yours are real early. Googling images for trammel points ornate brass -stanley Brings up one or two nearly similar to yours, but all unmarked https://www.pinterest.com.mx/pin/829225350123092481/ https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/antique-trammel-tool-meauring-device-to-make- large-circles-40775966.jpghttps://p1.liveauctioneers.com/5837/188560/94851784_1_ x.jpg?auto=webp&format=pjpg&version=1607966877&width=310 And our friend Jim Bode has a set that looks identical to your knobs, and he claims they are Stanley https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/ornate-stanley-brass-trammel-points-on- rosewood-beam-64797r Great Planes (lot #33) has a similar set, also claiming Stanley http://www.greatplanestrading.com/HUM12/HUM12.htm & #36 here http://www.greatplanestrading.com/StP10-1/CF_StC10.htm I guess we'll never know for certain without the name cast or stamped into the trammels. Or a better catalog image coming out. Kirk Dang, check out these PNTC give aways https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/magnificent-bronze-trammel-points-in- original-wooden-box-2004-pntc-best-in-the-west-3-5-8-68899r-1 On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 1:21 PM Bill Ghio via groups.io |
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274660 | Kirk Eppler | 2021‑10‑08 | Re: Do you trammel? |
And Erik Starts us all on a frantic search for the be all end all trammel set, the Starrett #59 https://archive.org/details/StarrettToolsCatalogNo25/page/n281/mode/1up Kirk, who saw a single accessory piece of this selling for $20 a while back On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 1:27 PM Bill Ghio via groups.io |
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274661 | Bill Ghio | 2021‑10‑08 | Re: Do you trammel? |
Oh my, I want one… and only $5.75. |
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274662 | Erik Levin | 2021‑10‑08 | Re: Do you trammel? |
I will admit that one set I have is the Starrett purchased at fire sale pricing, with the selection of ball radii. But the set I most use, I made, as having matching size ball ends is very handy using soft(ish) 1" steel balls from McMaster (the weldable grade). Carefully bore a hole into it- a lathe is nice, but the first set I did on a job 20 some-odd years ago was with a drill press and careful setup- and set a rod in. Braze is good, epoxy works too. If not perfectly enough centered (1/64 is good enough for a lot of work, most of mine are 0.005" or better), mark the fat side, hold the shaft in a vise a little back from the ball, and tap with a hammer to bend the shaft. It is surprisingly easy to got good enough. The first set wasn't well enough lined, and I didn't think to adjust them at the time, so I marked for orientation to make it easy to set to the middle rotation that matches the sharp points. This gives fine adjust for the ball if I need it, like when striking concentric around a hole. Non-concentric points can be similarly marked to make it easy to find close enough to the neutral position while allowing you to twist for fine adjust. *** This message was sent from a convenience email service, and the reply address(es) may not match the originating address On Friday, October 8, 2021, 05:31:10 PM EDT, Bill Ghio |
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274664 | Phil E. <pedgerton66@g...> | 2021‑10‑09 | Re: Do you trammel? |
Ball end points> Whazzat den? Phil E. |
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274669 | Mike Rock <mikerock@m...> | 2021‑10‑09 | Re: Do you trammel? |
We used the ball ends in pattern making for the foundry. They get plopped in an existing hole and you tram from there. The balls replace a point on the center. |
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