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275013 | Matthew Groves <grovesthegrey@g...> | 2022‑01‑01 | bench froe? wood cleaver? |
Howdy folks, What are those tools called with which you use to baton small kindling or that we’d use to make peg stock. It’s very thick. Has an edge like a froe. Is not configured like a froe with 90deg handle, but is more like a narrower cleaver that you use a baton on the back. What’s it called again? Can’t remember, and have poor google-fu. I don’t have Kirk Eppler level skills. Or Darren Addy. Happy New Year, too. Matthew Groves Springfield, MO |
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275014 | Curt Seeliger <seeligerc@g...> | 2022‑01‑01 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
Happy new year, Matt & others, I'd consider using a chisel or a knife, but LV has these: https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/chisels/specialty/67735 -batoning-chisel On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 10:12 PM Matthew Groves |
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275015 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2022‑01‑01 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
It's a knife froe. Let's see if I can post a photo of one recently sold on eBay. I bought one a few years ago for exactly your purpose, Matthew -- making peg stock. Mike in Woodland |
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275016 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2022‑01‑01 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
I wouldn't use one of these as a froe any more than I'd use a drawknife as a froe. These are available from a variety of sources under a variety of names. One of the most common names is "wrecking knife." I have something similar. A Japanese American co-worker had one that had belonged to his father, a carpenter. It came in a wooden sheath like a samurai sword. Heavy blade, sharpened one side, the tip slightly skewed and just as sharp. Great for cleaning out a mortise, can function as a drawknife. It's a great tool. But I ain't never going to pound on the back of the blade. Mike in Woodland |
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275017 | Zach Dillinger <zacharydillinger@g...> | 2022‑01‑01 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
It isn't exactly what you are describing, but I use a billhook for splitting out peg stock and other small splits of that nature. Works beautifully. Zachary Dillinger 517-231-3374 |
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275018 | Henry Bibb <hqbibb@g...> | 2022‑01‑01 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
Maybe something like this: https://garrettwade.com/product/super-tough-rosewood-handled-utility-knife?gclid =Cj0KCQiAlMCOBhCZARIsANLid6a8qu1k7mgyRrg6CTmPtVGadax9n5HXayYK5qlZ_VsmBEALASms4kE aAjxhEALw_wcB |
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275019 | Phil E. <pedgerton66@g...> | 2022‑01‑01 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
I think they are also called a "hack knife". Phil E. |
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275020 | Mike Hamilton <mrbuddha@g...> | 2022‑01‑01 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
I think P Follansbee refers to this as a "hacking knife". Regards to all - it's been a while, Mike |
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275022 | Richard Wilson <yorkshireman@y...> | 2022‑01‑01 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
Your friend wikipaedia even has an entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_knife - and a glance at a 1950’s copy of Rycrofts 600 page catalogue confirms the name. - Generally regarded as a glaziers tool used for hacking ou thte dried putty when replacing a pane of glass. - wonder how you clean up all the modern gunk used for bedding glass? We have/had some windows glazed into ‘rubber’ gaskets - some had shrunk, many had corners which were no longer entirely watertight. Contrast with old fashioned putty which not only does the job, but makes your hands feel and smell nice at the same time. Richard Wilson Yorkshireman Galoot |
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275023 | Phil Schempf <philschempf@g...> | 2022‑01‑01 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
Lee Valley sells a tool they call a batoning chisel, in a right or left handed version - https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/chisels/specialty/67735 -batoning-chisel |
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275024 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2022‑01‑01 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
A hacking knife AKA hack-out knife (which is what we called them when I was building, glazing, and repairing wooden sash) I still have a couple. Great tool. Like the others that have been mentioned, it will do in a pinch. But it isn't what you really want. All of these are sharp. What is wanted is a blade that is not sharp enough to sever the grain, a froe. One is illustrated on page 33 of Eric Sloane's A Museum of Early American Tools. His illustration shows a smith made tool. Mine was factory made in England (can't quite make out the company name). It has a blade 2 1/2 inches wide by 8 1/2 inches long and 3/16 inches thick. Still made -- Schrade SCHF64 froe, fixed 8.5" blade. https://www.knifecenter.com/item/SCHF64/schrade-schf64-froe-fixed-black-plain- blade-tpe-handle-polyester-sheath You want an edge like a froe? Get a froe. Mike in Woodland |
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275025 | scottg <scottg@s...> | 2022‑01‑01 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
Man you guys are a bad influence!! A real bench froe has been rattling around the back of my brain for ages. Now you have it pushed up front and center!! I just "shopped my junk" and came up with a bar of tool steel I think will be ideal. 1/4" I think will be just the right minimum thickness. As soon as its polite...........(new years hangovers and all) I will be out irritating the neighbors with loud hammering and grinding noises haahahaaah yours, stay tuned, scott -- ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html |
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275026 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2022‑01‑01 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
Unfortunately, made in China, so not on my shopping list.so long as there are alternatives. fwiw Don On 2022-01-01 11:54 a.m., Michael Blair wrote: > A hacking knife AKA hack-out knife (which is what we called them when I > was building, glazing, and repairing wooden sash) I still have a > couple. Great tool. Like the others that have been mentioned, it will > do in a pinch. > > But it isn't what you really want. All of these are sharp. What is > wanted is a blade that is not sharp enough to sever the grain, a froe. > One is illustrated on page 33 of Eric Sloane's A Museum of Early > American Tools. His illustration shows a smith made tool. Mine was > factory made in England (can't quite make out the company name). It has > a blade 2 1/2 inches wide by 8 1/2 inches long and 3/16 inches thick. > Still made -- Schrade SCHF64 froe, fixed 8.5" blade. > > https://www.knifecenter.com/item/SCHF64/schrade-schf64-froe-fixed-black-plain- blade-tpe-handle-polyester-sheath > > > You want an edge like a froe? Get a froe. > > Mike in Woodland > > > > > -- Omicron is coming fast. The time to act was yesterday. Reading journalists' scribblings and listening to political commentators' newscasts doesn't constitute independant research. |
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275027 | gtgrouch@r... | 2022‑01‑01 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
I have a crap-ton of lawnmower blades I salvaged from a hardware store that was closing. Anyone want any? They might make acceptable material for a froe project. Happy New Year from Gary Katsanis Albion New York, USA -----------------------------------------From: "Don Schwartz" To: oldtools@g... Cc: Sent: Saturday January 1 2022 4:46:26PM Subject: Re: [oldtools] bench froe? wood cleaver? Unfortunately, made in China, so not on my shopping list.so long as there are alternatives. fwiw Don On 2022-01-01 11:54 a.m., Michael Blair wrote: > A hacking knife AKA hack-out knife (which is what we called them when I > was building, glazing, and repairing wooden sash) I still have a > couple. Great tool. Like the others that have been mentioned, it will > do in a pinch. > > But it isn't what you really want. All of these are sharp. What is > wanted is a blade that is not sharp enough to sever the grain, a froe. > One is illustrated on page 33 of Eric Sloane's A Museum of Early > American Tools. His illustration shows a smith made tool. Mine was > factory made in England (can't quite make out the company name). It has > a blade 2 1/2 inches wide by 8 1/2 inches long and 3/16 inches thick. > Still made -- Schrade SCHF64 froe, fixed 8.5" blade. > > https://www.knifecenter.com/item/SCHF64/schrade-schf64-froe-fixed-black-plain- blade-tpe-handle-polyester-sheath /> > > > You want an edge like a froe? Get a froe. > > Mike in Woodland > > > > > -- Omicron is coming fast. The time to act was yesterday. Reading journalists' scribblings and listening to political commentators' newscasts doesn't constitute independant research. Links: ------ [1] https://groups.io/g/oldtools/unsub |
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275038 | Matthew Groves <grovesthegrey@g...> | 2022‑01‑03 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
Many many thanks for all the replies. My inquiry stemmed from a tool I saw in a barn (stacked full of tools freshly orphaned, but that’s another ongoing story) The tool was quite thick, maybe even 1/2in. It had a bench froe configuration, handle in line with the “blade”. And what a blade it was. 1/2in thick, maybe 2.5in wide, one side double bevelled (NOT a bezel, remember those days??) all the way down, and the other side double bevelled 3/4 of the way down the 6in blade, but the final 1 1/2in was completely un-bevelled, just squared off. I assume *that* part at the end was where hammering was done. Neither edge particularly sharp. Perhaps even “dull as a froe”. Wish I had a picture, but alas, my mind was swimming with thoughts of how all of these tools were going to get sold. Nobody knows yet! Matthew Groves Springfield, MO |
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275039 | Stager, Scott P. <StagerS@m...> | 2022‑01‑03 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
That is sounding miore and more like a broom makers “hammer”. Google and see what you find. —Scott > On Jan 3, 2022, at 2:57 PM, Matthew Groves via groups.io |
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275040 | Matthew Groves <grovesthegrey@g...> | 2022‑01‑04 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
Scott Stager is of course correct! Here’s a video of the one I saw. https://share.icloud.com/photos/099kSYWXQMIzjd43WC3AFBbTQ Matthew Groves Springfield, MO |
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275054 | Troy Livingston <horologist@w...> | 2022‑01‑07 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
All, Watching an old episode of Forged in Fire last night, the first challenge was a Japanese Nata knife. Very similar to the broom makers hammer shown by Scott and Matthew except with a single bevel. They did pretty well in testing when splitting off sections from a log. I found some photos and details here: <https://bushcraftusa.com/forum/threads/japanese-nata-knife-some-technical- questions-for-the-knife-axe-makers-etc.65638/> Troy |
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275057 | Bill Kasper <dragon01list@g...> | 2022‑01‑07 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
sooooo, you’re saying it’s a fire, nata knife? ducking and running, bill felton, ca On Friday, January 7, 2022, Troy Livingston |
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275060 | Bill Kasper <dragon01list@g...> | 2022‑01‑08 | Re: bench froe? wood cleaver? |
i do hate when a joke goes wrong due to autocorrect. "so, you're saying it's a froe, nata knife", etc. On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 12:18 PM Bill Kasper via groups.io |
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