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275084 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2022‑01‑16 | unknown trademark |
Along with items mentioned in a previous post, I picked up a damaged hornbeam? scrub plane at the Canadian Woodworker garage sale. I'm not sure I can repair the plane, which is badly split, but it has an iron of decent length which will find a use, once it's cleaned up. The iron has a mark which seems familiar to me, but which I can't identify. Photo is here: https://groups.io/g/oldtools/photo/263819/3367806?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2 C0 Anyone? Don -- Jason Kenney - his mother's worst nightmare. . . . UCP - Unqualified to Clean Portapotties |
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275088 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2022‑01‑16 | Re: unknown trademark |
I believe that is one of several logos used by Peugeot tools. The most recent logo on tools is a pair of lions, rampant, but Peugeot has been in business (making tools) beginning in 1847. Earlier logos used on plane blades are more various. I have one plane blade with a squirrel as the logo, and another with an elephant logo. Both of these are also marked "acier foundu" (cast steel) and either Peugeot or Pugeot Freres. Both also marked "guarantie." Mike in Woodland |
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275091 | Claudio DeLorenzi <claudio@d...> | 2022‑01‑17 | Re: unknown trademark |
Possibly a variant of Peugeot Freres trademark? (which I think is a lion if I remember)? I’ve seen this before… Cheers Claudio |
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275097 | Carlo <genk00005@g...> | 2022‑01‑17 | Re: unknown trademark |
it’s German: https://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/becker_cf.phtml The plane itself also has a very distinct German shape. Cheers, Carlo |
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275098 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2022‑01‑17 | Re: unknown trademark |
That's it! C. Ferd. Becker, Remscheid - a rampant goat? Many thanks. I had looked at this site, but somehow missed this page... Don On 2022-01-16 11:45 p.m., Carlo wrote: > it’s German:https://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/becker_cf.phtml > The plane itself also has a very distinct German shape. > > Cheers, > Carlo > > > > > -- Jason Kenney - his mother's worst nightmare. . . . UCP - Unqualified to Clean Portapotties |
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275099 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2022‑01‑17 | Re: unknown trademark |
The very thing, Carlo! A goat, rampant. |
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275102 | Chuck Taylor | 2022‑01‑17 | Re: unknown trademark |
Carlo, Nice job of sleuthing! I was thinking French because "Garantie" is French for the English word "Guarantee" and I have seen it before on French plane irons. Turns out that the German word for "Guarantee" is also "Garantie"! Cheers, Chuck Taylor north of Seattle USA ================ On Sunday, January 16, 2022, 10:45:19 PM PST, Carlo |
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275107 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2022‑01‑18 | Re: unknown trademark |
Yes. I've seen it on an Austrian iron as well. Don On 2022-01-17 4:09 p.m., Chuck Taylor via groups.io wrote: > Carlo, > > Nice job of sleuthing! I was thinking French because "Garantie" is French for the English word "Guarantee" and I have seen it before on French plane irons. Turns out that the German word for "Guarantee" is also "Garantie"! > > Cheers, > Chuck Taylor > north of Seattle USA > > ================ > > On Sunday, January 16, 2022, 10:45:19 PM PST, Carlo |
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275108 | Carlo <genk00005@g...> | 2022‑01‑18 | Re: unknown trademark |
Gents, actually, in this case I have a slight advantage. I’m Dutch and the word “garantie” is the same in French, German and Dutch. So looking at the trademark my first thought was Dutch, but then I saw the plane itself and instantly knew it was German. Cheers, Carlo |
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275114 | Chuck Taylor | 2022‑01‑19 | Re: unknown trademark |
Carlo, When I looked at the pictures of that plane and at pictures of a French Peugeot Freres plane of the same era, they looked pretty much the same to me. What should I be looking for to distinguish between, say, a French plane and a German plane? Cheers, Chuck Taylor north of Seattle USA =========== .... So looking at the trademark my first thought was Dutch, but then I saw the plane itself and instantly knew it was German. Cheers, Carlo =========== |
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275115 | Carlo <genk00005@g...> | 2022‑01‑19 | Re: unknown trademark |
Chuck, First of all I have to admit I made a mistake. Don has told me he didn’t post a picture of the actual plane. I assumed the plane in the picture next to the iron with the goat trademark was the plane that came with it, but it was another (similar) one. As for the differences between Dutch, French and German planes, traditionally their shapes have been dictated by the planemaker guilds. So in The Netherlands all smoothing planes are rectangular. In general this is the same in France. Only in Germany we see that nearly all planes are horned. So if I see a horned wooden plane, the biggest chance is that it’s German or from a Germanic country or region. And this last point is where it gets a little fuzzy, because the French-German border has shifted a couple of times in the past and the eastern part of France is in fact Germanic. There are other kinds of exceptions too, such as models made for export (I know of rare Dutch horned planes by Nooitgedagt) and irons which have outlived their original plane and have been replaced in another plane. Cheers, Carlo |
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275116 | Carlo <genk00005@g...> | 2022‑01‑19 | Re: unknown trademark |
I do realize the question was about a scrub plane so I’ve posted some pictures of a Dutch scrub plane here: https://groups.io/g/oldtools/photo/271826/3369074?p =Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C0 And a French (Peugeot) one here: https://groups.io/g/oldtools/photo/271826/3369073?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2 C0 |
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275119 | Chuck Taylor | 2022‑01‑20 | Re: unknown trademark |
Carlo wrote: =========== As for the differences between Dutch, French and German planes, traditionally their shapes have been dictated by the planemaker guilds. So in The Netherlands all smoothing planes are rectangular. In general this is the same in France. Only in Germany we see that nearly all planes are horned. So if I see a horned wooden plane, the biggest chance is that it’s German or from a Germanic country or region. And this last point is where it gets a little fuzzy, because the French-German border has shifted a couple of times in the past and the eastern part of France is in fact Germanic. =========== Thanks. That would explain why my French Stanley Goldenberg chisels look a lot like German MHG chisels. The Goldenberg chisels were made in the Alsace Lorraine region of France, near the German border. Cheers, Chuck Taylor north of Seattle USA |
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