Hello all, nearly all of whom I don't know, and those that I do, I 
likely do not know that I know them.

Hi, I'm Glen, and I have a Millers Falls problem. (Cue "Hi Glen" from 
the gathered crowd.)

That probably covers most of it.

Here's the long version:

It all started when I signed up for a cabinetmaking program at St. Paul 
Technical College (now St. Paul College) somewhere in.. I dunno, 1992 
maybe? I didn't finish. The first quarter was dedicated to hand tools, 
print reading, and very basic joinery stuff, like rabbets, dados and the 
like. I still have every one of the tools that was required by the 
curriculum that I bought for that course. I have a lot more now, but I 
digress.

During that first quarter, I had the opportunity to use a Stanley 71 (or 
71 1/2, I don't recall now) to clean the bottom of one of my dados to 
turn in to the teacher. After I left the course, that was one of the 
more than a handful of things I remembered about it. Honestly, though I 
wasn't able to continue with it, it was one of the most enlightening and 
satisfying courses of my life. For the first quarter anyway, as they put 
the hand tools down and went Total Norm after that.

I play bass and I thought I wanted to get into building my own 
instruments. During and after that period, I frequently drooled over 
this or that doodad in the stewmac catalog or luthier's mercantile or 
whatever.

But all these years later I still remembered that router plane. One day 
at an antique sale in a local mall (the kind where they have all the 
dealers come in and put there stuff up on long folding tables and you 
get to go in and see nothing anyone wants) I happened across an old 
Millers Falls #67 router. The guy wanted $35 for it! I hemmed and hawed. 
This was the very thing that I'd held onto - a hand-powered router - as 
my personal symbol of what had tools really were. My wife and I left it 
there. My wife was originally sad that I was so despondent over such a 
small antique-thing that she'd offered to change the budget around just 
this once so that I could go get this admittedly hard to explain thing. 
Then something snapped, and I diverted our course from home to an ATM, 
where I withdrew the princely sum of $40, returned to the dealer and 
haggled my way from $35 to $33. I felt odd asking for change from my $40 
after I'd just talked him down $2, but a deal is a deal.

I didn't know anything at all about the thing. It sat in a shoebox with 
a screwdriver until we moved several months later. Then I did the Online 
Research Thing and located Randy Roeder's website and learned what I 
got. Seems I got gypped a cutter (or two, it's an early one but no idea 
just how early). Otherwise, it was complete. Honestly, $33 for it even 
missing a cutter was pretty good in hindsight.

I did more research. I looked at craigslist, ebay, etsy, and all kinds 
of places looking to find companions for my new tool. I picked up this 
and I picked up that. Snow began falling and I brought my new friends in 
from the cold, dark Shop Garage (oh yeah, I'm in Minnesota. That year we 
had windchills in excess of -48F). More friends came in the mail and by 
UPS. Soon, my shop became a home for wayward Millers Falls tools.

Just this past weekend at the Area "A" M-WTCA meet I got a No 9 1/2 
scrub plane. Someone stop me.

And saws, mostly Disston, Atkins, and Keen Kutter. Kind of in that 
order.. apparently every garage sale or estate sale near me gets their 
stuff from the National Vintage Saw Outlet Mall (tm) so they can mark 
them up to $2 each and then I buy them. I'm about halfway to a full set 
of Disston numbers now even though I swear I didn't try to (even with 5 
or 6 D-8s, none of them identical, two D23, an early(ish) D-7, No 12, 
more, etc.) I swear I'm not a collector. I just can't pass up $2 for 
brass nuts. Or steel if it's an Atkins. Except for that one time when I 
passed up a Woodrough McParlin panel saw this past summer for $2. It was 
gently bent, but still a dummy move on my part. But I digress again.

I've been buying and selling for about two years now (OK, ok - not much 
selling). Occasionally I will have a question, and occasionally that 
question will have been asked in the OldTools archives. It's not always 
answered (or I just can't find it!) but each time it would direct me 
closer and closer to paying attention to the list. I subscribed to the 
digest. Here I am. I also frequent the timetestedtools.forumchitchat.com 
forum, mostly because it was new and wasn't full of a bunch of people 
who all already knew each other so I didn't feel like such an outsider. 
The lumberjocks layout seems horribly goofy to me so I find I don't 
really go there much.

So anyway, I try to use all of these tools at least once. I'm not always 
successful. And here I am again.

--Glen Canaday

Welcome to the Support Group From Hell! Abandon all hope, ye who enter here!

spike
 "No hour of life is lost spent in the saddle"
                             W. Churchill



> On Oct 29, 2015, at 2:31 PM, glen  wrote:
> 
> Hello all, nearly all of whom I don't know, and those that I do, I likely do
not know that I know them.
> 
> Hi, I'm Glen, and I have a Millers Falls problem. (Cue "Hi Glen" from the
gathered crowd.)
> 
> That probably covers most of it.
> 
> Here's the long version:
> 
> It all started when I signed up for a cabinetmaking program at St. Paul
Technical College (now St. Paul College) somewhere in.. I dunno, 1992 maybe? I
didn't finish. The first quarter was dedicated to hand tools, print reading, and
very basic joinery stuff, like rabbets, dados and the like. I still have every
one of the tools that was required by the curriculum that I bought for that
course. I have a lot more now, but I digress.
> 
> During that first quarter, I had the opportunity to use a Stanley 71 (or 71
1/2, I don't recall now) to clean the bottom of one of my dados to turn in to
the teacher. After I left the course, that was one of the more than a handful of
things I remembered about it. Honestly, though I wasn't able to continue with
it, it was one of the most enlightening and satisfying courses of my life. For
the first quarter anyway, as they put the hand tools down and went Total Norm
after that.
> 
> I play bass and I thought I wanted to get into building my own instruments.
During and after that period, I frequently drooled over this or that doodad in
the stewmac catalog or luthier's mercantile or whatever.
> 
> But all these years later I still remembered that router plane. One day at an
antique sale in a local mall (the kind where they have all the dealers come in
and put there stuff up on long folding tables and you get to go in and see
nothing anyone wants) I happened across an old Millers Falls #67 router. The guy
wanted $35 for it! I hemmed and hawed. This was the very thing that I'd held
onto - a hand-powered router - as my personal symbol of what had tools really
were. My wife and I left it there. My wife was originally sad that I was so
despondent over such a small antique-thing that she'd offered to change the
budget around just this once so that I could go get this admittedly hard to
explain thing. Then something snapped, and I diverted our course from home to an
ATM, where I withdrew the princely sum of $40, returned to the dealer and
haggled my way from $35 to $33. I felt odd asking for change from my $40 after
I'd just talked him down $2, but a deal is a deal.
> 
> I didn't know anything at all about the thing. It sat in a shoebox with a
screwdriver until we moved several months later. Then I did the Online Research
Thing and located Randy Roeder's website and learned what I got. Seems I got
gypped a cutter (or two, it's an early one but no idea just how early).
Otherwise, it was complete. Honestly, $33 for it even missing a cutter was
pretty good in hindsight.
> 
> I did more research. I looked at craigslist, ebay, etsy, and all kinds of
places looking to find companions for my new tool. I picked up this and I picked
up that. Snow began falling and I brought my new friends in from the cold, dark
Shop Garage (oh yeah, I'm in Minnesota. That year we had windchills in excess of
-48F). More friends came in the mail and by UPS. Soon, my shop became a home for
wayward Millers Falls tools.
> 
> Just this past weekend at the Area "A" M-WTCA meet I got a No 9 1/2 scrub
plane. Someone stop me.
> 
> And saws, mostly Disston, Atkins, and Keen Kutter. Kind of in that order..
apparently every garage sale or estate sale near me gets their stuff from the
National Vintage Saw Outlet Mall (tm) so they can mark them up to $2 each and
then I buy them. I'm about halfway to a full set of Disston numbers now even
though I swear I didn't try to (even with 5 or 6 D-8s, none of them identical,
two D23, an early(ish) D-7, No 12, more, etc.) I swear I'm not a collector. I
just can't pass up $2 for brass nuts. Or steel if it's an Atkins. Except for
that one time when I passed up a Woodrough McParlin panel saw this past summer
for $2. It was gently bent, but still a dummy move on my part. But I digress
again.
> 
> I've been buying and selling for about two years now (OK, ok - not much
selling). Occasionally I will have a question, and occasionally that question
will have been asked in the OldTools archives. It's not always answered (or I
just can't find it!) but each time it would direct me closer and closer to
paying attention to the list. I subscribed to the digest. Here I am. I also
frequent the timetestedtools.forumchitchat.com forum, mostly because it was new
and wasn't full of a bunch of people who all already knew each other so I didn't
feel like such an outsider. The lumberjocks layout seems horribly goofy to me so
I find I don't really go there much.
> 
> So anyway, I try to use all of these tools at least once. I'm not always
successful. And here I am again.

Hey Glen, welcome to The Porch.

Grab a Coke and sit a spell.  You will find a diverse group of hand tool
enthusiasts from several different continents ready to help, discuss and
encourage.



Brent A Kinsey
Brentpmed@c...


On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:31 PM, glen  wrote:

> Hello all, nearly all of whom I don't know, and those that I do, I likely do
not know that I know them.
> 
> Hi, I'm Glen, and I have a Millers Falls problem. (Cue "Hi Glen" from the
gathered crowd.)
> 
> That probably covers most of it.
> 
> Here's the long version:
> 
> It all started when I signed up for a cabinetmaking program at St. Paul
Technical College (now St. Paul College) somewhere in.. I dunno, 1992 maybe? I
didn't finish. The first quarter was dedicated to hand tools, print reading, and
very basic joinery stuff, like rabbets, dados and the like. I still have every
one of the tools that was required by the curriculum that I bought for that
course. I have a lot more now, but I digress.
> 
> During that first quarter, I had the opportunity to use a Stanley 71 (or 71
1/2, I don't recall now) to clean the bottom of one of my dados to turn in to
the teacher. After I left the course, that was one of the more than a handful of
things I remembered about it. Honestly, though I wasn't able to continue with
it, it was one of the most enlightening and satisfying courses of my life. For
the first quarter anyway, as they put the hand tools down and went Total Norm
after that.
> 
> I play bass and I thought I wanted to get into building my own instruments.
During and after that period, I frequently drooled over this or that doodad in
the stewmac catalog or luthier's mercantile or whatever.
> 
> But all these years later I still remembered that router plane. One day at an
antique sale in a local mall (the kind where they have all the dealers come in
and put there stuff up on long folding tables and you get to go in and see
nothing anyone wants) I happened across an old Millers Falls #67 router. The guy
wanted $35 for it! I hemmed and hawed. This was the very thing that I'd held
onto - a hand-powered router - as my personal symbol of what had tools really
were. My wife and I left it there. My wife was originally sad that I was so
despondent over such a small antique-thing that she'd offered to change the
budget around just this once so that I could go get this admittedly hard to
explain thing. Then something snapped, and I diverted our course from home to an
ATM, where I withdrew the princely sum of $40, returned to the dealer and
haggled my way from $35 to $33. I felt odd asking for change from my $40 after
I'd just talked him down $2, but a deal is a deal.
> 
> I didn't know anything at all about the thing. It sat in a shoebox with a
screwdriver until we moved several months later. Then I did the Online Research
Thing and located Randy Roeder's website and learned what I got. Seems I got
gypped a cutter (or two, it's an early one but no idea just how early).
Otherwise, it was complete. Honestly, $33 for it even missing a cutter was
pretty good in hindsight.
> 
> I did more research. I looked at craigslist, ebay, etsy, and all kinds of
places looking to find companions for my new tool. I picked up this and I picked
up that. Snow began falling and I brought my new friends in from the cold, dark
Shop Garage (oh yeah, I'm in Minnesota. That year we had windchills in excess of
-48F). More friends came in the mail and by UPS. Soon, my shop became a home for
wayward Millers Falls tools.
> 
> Just this past weekend at the Area "A" M-WTCA meet I got a No 9 1/2 scrub
plane. Someone stop me.
> 
> And saws, mostly Disston, Atkins, and Keen Kutter. Kind of in that order..
apparently every garage sale or estate sale near me gets their stuff from the
National Vintage Saw Outlet Mall (tm) so they can mark them up to $2 each and
then I buy them. I'm about halfway to a full set of Disston numbers now even
though I swear I didn't try to (even with 5 or 6 D-8s, none of them identical,
two D23, an early(ish) D-7, No 12, more, etc.) I swear I'm not a collector. I
just can't pass up $2 for brass nuts. Or steel if it's an Atkins. Except for
that one time when I passed up a Woodrough McParlin panel saw this past summer
for $2. It was gently bent, but still a dummy move on my part. But I digress
again.
> 
> I've been buying and selling for about two years now (OK, ok - not much
selling). Occasionally I will have a question, and occasionally that question
will have been asked in the OldTools archives. It's not always answered (or I
just can't find it!) but each time it would direct me closer and closer to
paying attention to the list. I subscribed to the digest. Here I am. I also
frequent the timetestedtools.forumchitchat.com forum, mostly because it was new
and wasn't full of a bunch of people who all already knew each other so I didn't
feel like such an outsider. The lumberjocks layout seems horribly goofy to me so
I find I don't really go there much.
> 
> So anyway, I try to use all of these tools at least once. I'm not always
successful. And here I am again.

“Hi Glen, you’re among friends”

You, friend are right on the edge of the slippery slope. Turn back now if you’re
going to.

Once you get to the 18th century wooden molding planes . . . . it’s too late and
at that point you need to hit rock bottom because there’s no fighting it.

My struggle at the moment is that I fell off the slope a year ago . . . . but my
financial life changed . . . . and now I’m fighting the temptations to do
allegorical gunpoint liquor store holdups to feed my habit.

To avoid that I will probably sell my “tailed apprentices” into slavery to buy
wood and possibly a good router plane. If anyone is looking for an indentured
servant . . . . I have a yellow and black tailed apprentice chopsaw, and one
named Porter Cable who does very good router work when his tail is attached to
the orange umbilical cord . . . . either of them would give good service and I
could pick up a good plow plane instead of trying to fix the “shop made” one I
picked up for about $8 sans fence.  :)

Mark.

> On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:31 PM, glen  wrote:
> 
> Hello all, nearly all of whom I don't know, and those that I do, I likely do
not know that I know them.
> 
> Hi, I'm Glen, and I have a Millers Falls problem. (Cue "Hi Glen" from the
gathered crowd.)
> 
> That probably covers most of it.
> 
> Here's the long version:
> 
> It all started when I signed up for a cabinetmaking program at St. Paul
Technical College (now St. Paul College) somewhere in.. I dunno, 1992 maybe? I
didn't finish. The first quarter was dedicated to hand tools, print reading, and
very basic joinery stuff, like rabbets, dados and the like. I still have every
one of the tools that was required by the curriculum that I bought for that
course. I have a lot more now, but I digress.
> 
> During that first quarter, I had the opportunity to use a Stanley 71 (or 71
1/2, I don't recall now) to clean the bottom of one of my dados to turn in to
the teacher. After I left the course, that was one of the more than a handful of
things I remembered about it. Honestly, though I wasn't able to continue with
it, it was one of the most enlightening and satisfying courses of my life. For
the first quarter anyway, as they put the hand tools down and went Total Norm
after that.
> 
> I play bass and I thought I wanted to get into building my own instruments.
During and after that period, I frequently drooled over this or that doodad in
the stewmac catalog or luthier's mercantile or whatever.
> 
> But all these years later I still remembered that router plane. One day at an
antique sale in a local mall (the kind where they have all the dealers come in
and put there stuff up on long folding tables and you get to go in and see
nothing anyone wants) I happened across an old Millers Falls #67 router. The guy
wanted $35 for it! I hemmed and hawed. This was the very thing that I'd held
onto - a hand-powered router - as my personal symbol of what had tools really
were. My wife and I left it there. My wife was originally sad that I was so
despondent over such a small antique-thing that she'd offered to change the
budget around just this once so that I could go get this admittedly hard to
explain thing. Then something snapped, and I diverted our course from home to an
ATM, where I withdrew the princely sum of $40, returned to the dealer and
haggled my way from $35 to $33. I felt odd asking for change from my $40 after
I'd just talked him down $2, but a deal is a deal.
> 
> I didn't know anything at all about the thing. It sat in a shoebox with a
screwdriver until we moved several months later. Then I did the Online Research
Thing and located Randy Roeder's website and learned what I got. Seems I got
gypped a cutter (or two, it's an early one but no idea just how early).
Otherwise, it was complete. Honestly, $33 for it even missing a cutter was
pretty good in hindsight.
> 
> I did more research. I looked at craigslist, ebay, etsy, and all kinds of
places looking to find companions for my new tool. I picked up this and I picked
up that. Snow began falling and I brought my new friends in from the cold, dark
Shop Garage (oh yeah, I'm in Minnesota. That year we had windchills in excess of
-48F). More friends came in the mail and by UPS. Soon, my shop became a home for
wayward Millers Falls tools.
> 
> Just this past weekend at the Area "A" M-WTCA meet I got a No 9 1/2 scrub
plane. Someone stop me.
> 
> And saws, mostly Disston, Atkins, and Keen Kutter. Kind of in that order..
apparently every garage sale or estate sale near me gets their stuff from the
National Vintage Saw Outlet Mall (tm) so they can mark them up to $2 each and
then I buy them. I'm about halfway to a full set of Disston numbers now even
though I swear I didn't try to (even with 5 or 6 D-8s, none of them identical,
two D23, an early(ish) D-7, No 12, more, etc.) I swear I'm not a collector. I
just can't pass up $2 for brass nuts. Or steel if it's an Atkins. Except for
that one time when I passed up a Woodrough McParlin panel saw this past summer
for $2. It was gently bent, but still a dummy move on my part. But I digress
again.
> 
> I've been buying and selling for about two years now (OK, ok - not much
selling). Occasionally I will have a question, and occasionally that question
will have been asked in the OldTools archives. It's not always answered (or I
just can't find it!) but each time it would direct me closer and closer to
paying attention to the list. I subscribed to the digest. Here I am. I also
frequent the timetestedtools.forumchitchat.com forum, mostly because it was new
and wasn't full of a bunch of people who all already knew each other so I didn't
feel like such an outsider. The lumberjocks layout seems horribly goofy to me so
I find I don't really go there much.
> 
> So anyway, I try to use all of these tools at least once. I'm not always
successful. And here I am again.

Welcome aboard Glen, and congrats on posting a bio so early.
-Paul, in SF

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Mark Pfeifer 
wrote:

Well Glen, you been grabbed by the bug.  I do know what you mean about
the old routers.  I've had a 71 1/2 for decades now.  Stumbled across it
and have used it ever since.  But I found a 71 for nearly no money...
How could I leave it there?  Couldn't.  About a year ago I saw a bronze
coachmaker's router -- the sort that are shaped like a spoke shave and
it was no money either.  Somewhere in between the first and the second
I found a 271, still in its original box in nearly unused condition.
No child left behind, I thought and so I have four.  Wonder if I will
find an all wood one...  Delightful tools for many tasks.

I don't think you will ever regret the scrub plane either.  When you
need one nothing else will do.  I couldn't find mine recently so I
was forced to grind a spare blade for my 5 1/4.  It got me by but a
no name appeared on eBah and nobody wanted it (except me!)

Welcome to this side of the slippery slope.

Mike in Sacto

Well Glen, hate to tell you this, but just today I picked up a Millers 
Falls screwdriver bit for a brace. Just about perfect mint.
  Ever run a 4" screw home with a brace n bit?
Its like driving a caterpillar for the first time.  Nothing stops it!
     I picked it up for someone else, I have plenty. ;-)

     Also this spring I snagged a Millers Falls #9 in very good shape.
       Nice 2 part lever cap 'n all.

   Both are available ............................ heh heh heh
          yours Scott

-- 
*******************************
    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html



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Welcome aboard Glen.  There's no tool like an old tool.  You've got lots of
company here.
Frank Segreto
 


     On Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:55 PM, scott grandstaff 
wrote:
   
 

 Well Glen, hate to tell you this, but just today I picked up a Millers 
Falls screwdriver bit for a brace. Just about perfect mint.
  Ever run a 4" screw home with a brace n bit?
Its like driving a caterpillar for the first time.  Nothing stops it!
    I picked it up for someone else, I have plenty. ;-)

    Also this spring I snagged a Millers Falls #9 in very good shape.
      Nice 2 part lever cap 'n all.

  Both are available ............................ heh heh heh
          yours Scott

-- 
*******************************
    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html



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On 10/29/15, glen wrote:

Hi, I'm Glen, and I have a Millers Falls problem. (Cue "Hi Glen" from 
the gathered crowd.)

[snip] Occasionally I will have a question, and occasionally that 
question will have been asked in the OldTools archives. It's not always 
answered (or I just can't find it!) but each time it would direct me 
closer and closer to paying attention to the list.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Welcome, Glen.  It's great to have another member of the MFia on the Porch.  I
have anticipated your unanswered questions, and will answer them:



Yes, Millers Falls tools are better.
Yes, Millers Falls tools are cooler.
Yes, the Buck Rogers tools are the cewlest.
YES! Women prefer men who wield Millers Falls tools.


Regards,
Steve

On Oct 30, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Steve Reynolds  wrote:

> Yes, Millers Falls tools are better.
> Yes, Millers Falls tools are cooler.
> Yes, the Buck Rogers tools are the cewlest.
> YES! Women prefer men who wield Millers Falls tools.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Steve


And they are real MFers

Ed Minch

I'm going to show my wide my Buck Rogers brace tonight. 

Will update the Porch on results.

If I called mine wide I'd get a back saw across the side of my face.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Mark Pfeifer 
wrote:

Haha, thank you all for your warm welcome!

Y'all can hold onto the Buck Rogers until I'm ready for 'em!

--Glen

On 30/10/2015 8:31 AM, glen wrote:
> Hello all, nearly all of whom I don't know, and those that I do, I 
> likely do not know that I know them.
>
> Hi, I'm Glen, and I have a Millers Falls problem. (Cue "Hi Glen" from 
> the gathered crowd.)
>
> That probably covers most of it.
>

Welcome to the support group from hell.   Take a load off your feet and 
rest between friends.
Whatever you say in future, if you mention a saw with nibs, you will 
cause the longest threads you've ever seen!

-- 
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wizofoz@i...

On 30/10/2015 8:31 AM, glen wrote:
> Hello all, nearly all of whom I don't know, and those that I do, I likely do
not know that I know them.
> 
> Hi, I'm Glen, and I have a Millers Falls problem. (Cue "Hi Glen" from the
gathered crowd.)
> 

Welcome Glen.  If you look hard enough you might get as lucky as I have been.  I
found a rare and wonderful M-F Parson’s Brace for just $1

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/22445422870/in/album-72157660593591015/

Ed Minch
Don't anthropomorphise your tools - they hate that

Welcome to the Porch, the hot cider is at this end.
[snip]
> 
> Just this past weekend at the Area "A" M-WTCA meet I got a No 9 1/2 scrub
plane. Someone stop me.

No. 

mwahahaHaHaHAHAHAHAHaHahahaha

Steve Noe, in Indianapolis
StephenNoe@a... 
We are not “Passengers on SpaceShip Earth,” we are crew,
and it’s about time we took our duties seriously.

just be careful to pay attention to the soles of your shoes after putting
up your feet...there's not a few of us who are liberal with the grease
brush, and a whole group of others willing to nonchalantly nudge you down
any slope you're at the top of when you stand up again...sometimes they're
one and the same (that'd be, at least *you*, Eppler).

welcome, and the homebrew is at the other end of the porch next to the pipe
tobacco.

bill
Felton, ca