What prompted my recent search was the purchase of a chisel lot of (4) decent
plastic handled user chisels, accompanied by the 1/2" Stanley 750 (?), and a
1/4" Buck pig sticker.

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From: oldtools@g...  On Behalf Of gtgrouch@r...
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 11:13 AM
To: 'John Ruth' 
Cc: 'Michael Blair' ; 'scottg@s...' ;
'oldtools@g...' 
Subject: Re: [oldtools] Chisel Pricing confusion

Absolutely! I'll see your L&IJ White and raise you a Douglass . . .

But my favorite is Charles Buck.

Gary Katsanis
Albion New York, USA
sort of on the west end of NY tool manufacturing

	-----------------------------------------From: "John Ruth" 
To: "Michael Blair"
Cc: scottg@s..., oldtools@g...
Sent: Tuesday August 23 2022 8:52:51AM
Subject: Re: [oldtools] Chisel Pricing confusion

 Mike wrote:

 > You want bizarre? "Stanley Sweetheart chisels, set of 8, available at  >
Home Depot. All bearing the 750 marking:
 >
 >
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Stanley-Sweetheart-750-Series-Socket-Wood-Chisel-
Set-8-Piece-16-793/203710894
 />
 Oh, I'd like to know how close these are to true equivalency to the oldies!

 1) How HARD are they? Most modern chisels are tempered to a hardness such that
they will bend before they snap. This is to prevent lawsuits by "Freddy
Allthumbs" who lost an eye after using a chisel to pry open a paint can. _Notice
that No Rc number is given_!!!

 ( Many US-made chisels sold under various private brands such as Craftsman and
Buck Brothers all came from a New England factory owned by Great Neck. [Source:
One of the Taunton books. Your mission is to jog my memory by identifying which
book. ]. The steel was said to be chemically correct, but not tempered to the
correct hardness.
Difficult to reharden/retemper due to non-removable plastic handles. )

 2) Where are they made? Any nation can make good stuff, but some are more in
the habit of quality than others.

 Scott wrote a sentence with an excellent bit of Galoot humor which I've not
seen mentioned in recent years:

 >> ...Swan, Whitherby, Doc Barton and the other "best there ever was"
chisels

 I do hope the newer members of the Porch "got" Scott's reference to Doc Barton.
This was something that gave us a chuckle years ago when the 'Bay had a bunch of
sellers who misread "D. R. Barton" as "Dr.
Barton," thus creating a mythical chisel maker.

 I still chuckle over that one when I find a D. R. Barton at the fleas.

 As a sort of BTW, I'd include L & IJ White among the old time makers of good
chisels. What say?

 John Ruth
 Still somewhat saddened when finding a quality socket chisel with the socket
mushroomed into unusablity or entirely absent.

 



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