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83457 "Pete Bergstrom" pbergstrom@u... 2000‑09‑12 Bio and a couple of questions
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Greetings all,

I have to say thanks for all the old oldtools messages - there's a whole =
lot of stuff to be learned by reading the archive.

My name is Pete Bergstrom. I'm a software developer for a large, Dow 30 =
company by day, so it's really nice to go unplugged at least a few hours =
a week. I spent a few years in Arizona on a project for my employer, and =
that's where I got hooked on a galootish form of photography, large =
format. This is the sort of camera with really sweet lenses, sheet film, =
large tripods, and great capabilities for contortions to get it *just* =
right. Seriously, I get the same pitying looks from friends and =
neighbors when I let them know of the pleasures of both LF and neander =
woodworking. They absolutely seem to desert the neighborhood when I =
bring a handsaw to my backyard and cut boards. On the contrary, they've =
all come running when I'm shattering the peace of the neighborhood with =
noise with a skils*w.

I've done the photography for a bunch of years now, but the addition of =
a child has made it hard to devote the blocks of time needed.

My wife and I settled back in St. Paul after the Arizona experience, and =
we've got an older house (1927) with room for the family and a couple of =
cubbyholes in the basement for my darkroom and my woodshop (there, I've =
finally gotten around to the reason for delurking).

In the last year, I've really been just getting started. I cleaned up =
some of my grandfather's tools: an old 12 inch Duro bandsaw, a small =
drill press, and misc small tools. All of this had been left in unheated =
sheds for the last 15 years, but at least they weren't getting directly =
rained and snowed on. New tires, a motor, and a blade went to the =
bandsaw and it now does a good job in resawing.

I spent much of last winter building my workbench. In my 6x11 foot shop, =
it takes up a lot of space, but is big and sturdy. It'll stay with the =
house since it's too big to get out in one piece, so I made it to last, =
hopefully at least another 73 years. I'm now building tool cabinets from =
maple & elm trees harvested from the back yard and then bandsawn. The =
neighbor across the alley had a nice black walnut tree cut down and =
hauled away before I could offer to haul it away first. Darn.

This spring, after scanning the archives, I made a frame saw using =
Sandvik blade - crude but fun to use. Now I'm getting around to a more =
refined version. I also have a couple of small framesaw examples from my =
grandfather to base this upon. It's really been nice to recover a little =
bit of the connection I had with my grandfather when he was alive.=20

With my son turning 2 this summer, Saturday mornings have turned into a =
time for the two of us to drive around and find tools around town. =
Trying to stay within the limits of a small space, swinging by Seven =
Corners Hardware, Rockler, and Woodcraft only gets you so far before you =
wonder what people did before woodworking power came through wires.

Toolhunting this summer has turned up, IMHO, a fair haul:=20

- thumbhole D8. High quality user- I hesitate to admit that the handle =
is eminently fondleable... Of course, nobody else needs to try one of =
these out - they really feel horrible. I'll just do my best to spare =
everyone else the agony. Send all those terrible things to me.
- a D9, a D15, a D23 & a few other various Disstons & Atkins saws. I =
even bought one saw for the nuts. uh oh.
- MF Acme Langdon 74C miter box with MF etched, Disston & Sons-stamped =
back saw (26 long by 5 under the back). Not a great handle next to the =
thumbhole D8, so it looks like I'll have to try making a new one this =
winter. I'll probably get to make a few.
- Disston & Sons back saw (24 long by 3 3/4 under the back). Just got =
this one, had to separate it from a Stanley miter box (it looked old and =
in fairly good condition, but I think having two miter boxes in a tiny =
shop makes me a collector, not a user).
- Disston & Sons brass backed saw (13 long by 3 under the back), closed =
handle
- Disston & Sons back saw (14 long by 4 under the back), closed handle
- saw sharpening vise. Only marking is 40 on face and whoever cleaned it =
up painted it up with battleship gray paint. Once I found this, it =
clearly became essential to acquire lots of saws since I could sharpen =
them all differently for various uses, right? Crosscutting vs ripping, =
hardwood vs softwood, fast vs fine, etc. Lots of combinations...
- old, unmarked sawset. In line to be prepared for fine tpi use. These =
seem to be really scarce. I turned this one up at the bottom of a drawer =
full of junk at a barren estate sale.=20
- MF 9 1/2 with articulated lever cap & adjusting screw on frog. Good =
shape & it tuned up nicely. It feels really nice to turn out a long =
curly one.
- 2 other MF-manufactured planes of same size-a Fulton 3710 and a Dunlap =
4DBB. Need threaded rod for depth adjusting knob (actually bought the =
Dunlap, a complete plane, for the rod to be put in the good MF).=20
- smooth plane with only mark on casting being 'R   #   4 1/2' right =
between the frog and the tote. The blade is engraved Lakeside. Had a =
light coat of rust ($5 gamble) but light electrolysis cleaned it up & =
left a nice patina.=20
- Stanley #71, patent date March 4, 84. Bought this on eb*y, but still =
like what I got. Now I can do a nice job inlaying the blade on the =
Gunterman shave I'm redoing in maple.
- Sweetheart logo #80 scraper (blade and tension bar marked) patent =
dates 6/2/14, 6/23/14
- delicate-looking iron spokeshave, 'Stanley Rule & Level Co.' on blade
- MF 1710 brace and miscellaneous bits. I updated the jaws with a spring =
loaded set and it's pretty slick now.
- Yankee #35, cute little thing, 3 patent dates. Last one Oct. 9, 00 and =
still works well & looks good. Seems like nickel over brass; there are a =
few wear marks.
- Yankee #41, looks the same as the one my dad bought 25 years ago.=20
 - Goodell-Pratt breast drill. Patent on crank handle Mar 31, 1896. =
Patent on chuck Aug 13, 1895. Amazingly clean & pretty-nickel or chrome =
and paint in good shape but has tape keeping the halves of the fixed =
handle on the bolt. What was the original wood for handles on these?=20

I'm not offering any of these for sale, but please let me know if =
anything is particularly rare before I put it to good use. I do take =
good care of my tools, and these ought to all be usable by my =
grandchildren.

Now the big question on my mind is whether or not the patent dates =
roughly date the tools? Obviously the tools can't predate the patent, =
but is it reasonable to assume that they were manufactured within 17 =
years of the marked date?=20

The second question is how to explain the need for more saws, planes and =
other tools once the comparison to SWMBO's sewing needles wears too =
thin? (you wouldn't be able to sew all kinds of clothes with just one =
needle, right?) The trouble is, she doesn't have a whole lot more =
needles than I have saws... She's not buying it for that increasing pile =
of wood, either.

My third question is why isn't anybody making nice saws of the bigger =
variety (as distinct from the ITs by L-N)? Is it hard to do the forming, =
are there too many existing saws that are just good enough so there =
isn't much of a market? I would think that with St. James Bay, Knight =
Toolworks, Lie-Nielsen, Williams & Clark, Hock, Bridge City and so forth =
making small quantities of tools, someone would be able to sell a few =
hundred saws a year as well. I guess there's the IT and Adria =
experience, but wouldn't you all be willing to buy one or two $200, =
taper-ground, tiger-maple handled saws each year? You need one for =
ripping hardwoods, one for ripping softwoods, one for crosscutting =
hardwoods, one for crosscutting softwoods, fast and smooth versions of =
all those, miter box versions... That takes up the next few years of =
birthdays and Christmases for me, maybe a little less if I tackle some =
new projects around the house. Now that the Superior Works #1 is in =
production, surely there's another opportunity ahead? Heck, at least =
half would never touch a block of wood if a little marketing went =
towards the yuppie crowd ;). No, really I don't have a problem.=20
Really

Best,
Pete


83464 Dirk Wright wright@k... 2000‑09‑13 Re: Bio and a couple of questions


>I spent a few years in Arizona on a project for my employer, and that's 
>where I got hooked on a galootish form of photography, large format. This is 
>the sort of camera with really sweet lenses, sheet film, large tripods, and 
>great capabilities for contortions to get it *just* right. 

I'm a photo nut also. I shoot 35mm though. Can't afford LF anytime soon. I 
built a Bender pinhole camera kit last winter, haven't used it yet. What do 
you think of the Bender LF camera kits? Seems like a cheap way to get into 
"real" photography. 


-- 
Be Seeing You.
Dirk Wright
What is a magician but a practising theorist?
		-- Obi-Wan Kenobi


83468 TomPrice@a... 2000‑09‑13 Re: Bio and a couple of questions
Pete wrote:

>- MF Acme Langdon 74C miter box with MF etched, Disston & Sons-stamped 
>back saw (26 long by 5 under the back). Not a great handle next to the 
>thumbhole D8, so it looks like I'll have to try making a new one this 
>winter. I'll probably get to make a few.
>- Disston & Sons back saw (24 long by 3 3/4 under the back). Just got 
>this one, had to separate it from a Stanley miter box (it looked old and 
>in fairly good condition, but I think having two miter boxes in a tiny 
>shop makes me a collector, not a user).

OK, you're almost there. Just gotta work on the concept of backup. Backup 
explains why I obtained a second Langdon style M-F miterbox at PATINA 
last year even though I don't have room to deploy it. Yet. Plus two saws 
for it (hey, they were cheap) and I still need a second saw for my larger 
primary unit, my M-F 'All Steel' miterbox. Just in case I wear out the 
primary unit in the middle of a project. Yep. The backup unit is ready to 
come on line at the drop of a (Galoot) hat. Never mind the later model 
Sears/Stanley miterbox that's still sitting over in Steve Reynold's shop 
awaiting pickup. Steve used it to build his bench with. Bought that back 
in the early '70's. Forgot all about that one. Good to know. Guess I'm 
almost there on miterboxes. Almost there.
****************************
Tom Price (TomPrice@a...
Will Work For Tools
The Galoot's Progress Old Tools site is at:
http://members.aol.com/tomprice/galootp/galtprog.html


83529 "Pete Bergstrom" pbergstrom@u... 2000‑09‑13 Re: Bio and a couple of questions
> >this one, had to separate it from a Stanley miter box (it looked old and
> >in fairly good condition, but I think having two miter boxes in a tiny
> >shop makes me a collector, not a user).
>
> OK, you're almost there. Just gotta work on the concept of backup. Backup
> explains why I obtained a second Langdon style M-F miterbox at PATINA

Well, I did have second thoughts and went back the second day of the sale.
Too late.



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